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- Let us commence.
- I'm Chairman Jeon Hyun-moo of Non-summit, a borderless youth committee.
- I'm Secretary General Yoo Se-yoon.
- I'm Chairman Sung Si-kyung.
We're Jeon Yoo-sung.
- Billboard chart by nations.
The US and Korea have Billboard charts while Japan has the Oricon charts.
- Today's billboard chart
is on global smartphone usage.
I'm sure Korea is pretty high up in the list.
- I'm certain.
- Okay.
- There's no game. - Okay, okay.
Don't mess with us.
- An online research agency came up
with the top 10 list for the most smartphone usage.
- Last year, Korea had a smartphone distribution rate of 85%.
It's the highest in the world.
Most of your countries showed distribution rate of over 70%,
with 66% for Italy, 58% for China and 20% for Pakistan.
- Huh?
Italy's distribution rate is not as high as I thought.
- It's the lowest in Europe.
66% distribution rate.
- Italy. - Most of the younger generation have
smartphones but the older generation has regular cellphones.
I just call them on their home phones,
because they would not pick up
if I call them on their cellphones.
They don't know.
- Just like my mom.
- I just don't answer my home phone.
- That's right.
It's been a long time since I used my home phone. - It's been a long time.
- My grandmother still uses the old-fashioned phone.
- Really?
- If you mess up while dialing...
- When I came to Korea in 2010,
I was surprised to see so much elderly using smartphones.
- They're really good at it.
- And grandpas listen to music really loudly
on the streets with their smartphones.
- With 2 speakers on their bikes. - Right.
In Mexico, the younger people would do stuff like that.
The culture is so different.
- What surprises me even more
is how babies use smartphones.
- So fast. - They know how to take photos
and how to view photos.
- And play games.
- Right.
- They can search things on the web.
- My friend has an 8-year old son and he has his own TV channel.
On the smartphone. - He has his own channel?
- He even records videos.
- There's this ad where a 2-year old is given a magazine,
and the baby goes like this.
Since that's what the baby is used to.
- Really. - Zooming in.
- Isn't this made up?
- No.
I'm telling you the truth.
- With the increase in smartphone distribution rate,
the smartphone usage is also increasing.
Does anyone think that their country
will rank within the top 10?
- The top 10.
US, Italy, Mexico, China, Japan.
- Japan must be in the top 10.
- Korea.
- I think Korea might be 1st or 2nd?
- Right.
- We have to be 1st or 2nd.
- Koreans use smartphones a lot.
- Let's look at the 10th place.
The top 10.
10th place is France. - France.
- In average, the French people use smartphones 1 hour and 32 minutes daily.
I thought the French people
don't like being confined to something.
Why are they so into smartphones?
- They use it to take photos.
82% for taking photos.
53% for SNS.
I think this is because
mostly because of older people.
If you ask the younger people, they'll use it for SNS.
- Germany came in 9th place.
It's not much different from France. - Really?
- France was 1 hour and 32 minutes.
Germans use 1 hours and 37 minutes.
They use it for 5 more minutes.
- I didn't know Germany would be in top 10.
- You didn't even raise your hand.
- Germans don't do a lot of SNS
compared to other countries.
They mostly use it for calls and text messages,
so I'm surprised Germany came in top 10.
- UK came in 8th place.
- 2 hours and 9 minutes.
- UK came in 8th place with 2 hours and 9 minutes.
Two countries came in 6th place.
This was unexpected.
- This hurts my ego.
- Both Canada and South Korea came in 6th place.
- What?
Korea is not even in the top 5?
- Canada.
- When I spent all that time on Instagram...
- This is unfair.
- But there are people like Si-kyung who doesn't use smartphone a lot.
- I don't really use it that much.
- How dependent do you think
Koreans are on their smartphones?
- Isn't it a bit too much?
- Even when they're not using their smartphones,
stuff like video games are playing on their phones.
- Like automatic playing?
- Right.
- Or charging their phones with portable chargers.
- I think the Koreans use their phones horizontally
more than they use it vertically.
Since they're watching videos and stuff... - Right.
- I think it's because there are many short clips that are trending.
People don't watch the entire TV show,
they just watch funny parts on their smartphones.
- Mostly watching videos and playing games.
- Yes, yes. - That's right.
- And Korean people...
- They don't even call each other that much.
- They usually talk on messengers.
- Younger people don't like talking on the phone.
- When I'm talking to someone on a messenger,
it feels awkward to talk to them on the phone.
- Didn't you ever reject someone's call when talking to them on a messenger?
- And then send them a message "Why did you call?".
Pretending like you can't pick up the phone.
- "In the middle of transportation."
- I wonder what countries are higher up on the list.
- Right.
- Let's continue.
Spain came in 5th place with an average smartphone usage of 2 hours and 11 minutes.
That was unexpected.
4th place was Italy.
2 hours and 34 minutes daily.
- Really?
- When they have such a beautiful weather?
- Italians use smartphones a lot.
- You seem very happy. - I knew this.
I think Italians use smartphones a lot.
They play games and
they do a lot of SNS since they like showing off.
The first thing that 57% of smartphone users
do every morning is checking their smartphones.
- Do Italians take bed selfies too?
And post them on SNS.
- Yes.
- A lot.
- Men would never do it though.
- Men don't take naked selfies?
- Men don't take selfies.
It doesn't look very nice.
- Why?
- Not alone.
- It's just that Alberto doesn't
look for photos of guys in Instagram.
- Don't you take crying selfies?
Is there any country that takes crying selfies?
Se-yoon used to do that a lot.
- Taking selfies while crying.
"Sometimes I cry..."
- So cheesy.
- 45 degree angle.
- Wang Simlin takes the 1st place in selfie.
- Really?
- Nice selfie.
- Thank you.
- Italian men can't do that.
- Really?
- Taking selfie by yourself.
- And Photoshop.
- Many Italians follow celebrity Instagram
because they want to know what celebrities are up to.
- I see.
- Who came in 3rd place?
- US came in 3rd place.
2 hours and 37 minutes.
- I think Americans use smartphones a lot.
Younger people check their smartphones 157 times in a day?
- In a day?
- In a day.
And younger people use smartphones on an average 5 hours a day.
Since 2015, they've been spending more time on their smartphones
than on watching TV.
- Look.
2nd place is China.
- Wow.
- An average of 3 hours and 3 minutes.
- That's a lot.
- In China, you can do anything
if you have a smartphone.
You can even pay for street food
with the touch of a smartphone.
- Really?
- Yes.
With an app.
It's really convenient for us.
- I don't think we can pay for
our street food with a smartphone yet.
- It's widely used in China.
- People will look at you strangely if you use cash in China.
- Right.
- For real.
If you use cash there. - In China?
- Everyone uses smartphones. - We can pay with smartphones,
as well as make transfers.
Since the Chinese people use the smartphone so much,
there's a new special word.
It meas a 'Nation that looks down'.
Always looking down at their smartphones
when walking down the street.
- "Low head nation"
- The Chinese people take a lot of selfies, not just Wang Simlin.
- I think I might be special.
- A special person.
- Last but not least, 1st place...
It goes to Brazil.
- Brazil?
- Their average daily smartphone usage is surprisingly high.
4 hours and 48 minutes.
- That's a lot. - It's overwhelming.
- So cool. - 4 hours and 48 minutes?
Why do they use smartphones so much?
What do they use it for?
4 hours and 48 minutes daily.
- I was expecting a Latin American country on the list.
The Latin American people love to take photos.
They take photos everywhere they go and all the food.
- Koreans like to do that too.
- They must like it more.
- We like it more.
But I don't know why Mexico is not on the list.
There was even a study that showed
9 out of 10 Mexican people were addicted to smartphones.
The Mexicans start by using the alarm app as soon as they wake up,
and then reads the newspaper and checks the weather on their smartphones.
I don't know why they check the weather, it's always hot anyway.
- Japan wasn't on the list?
- I thought it was strange.
I think it might be because
the elderly dislikes smartphones.
There was a poll that asked what you would do when you left your smartphone at home.
If you would leave smartphone at home or go back to your house and be late for work.
- Be late. - Be late for work.
- That's a dilemma.
- And...
- Then you wouldn't be able to see your smartphone while you're at work.
- Right. - This is a dilemma.
- And 1 out of 4 people
chose their smartphones instead.
- Japan is the more analog than Korea or China.
- That's right.
We're analog.
- Alex, what about Switzerland?
- A lot of younger people
use smartphones a lot.
I don't think the Swiss people
are too interested in technology though.
They don't play games that often,
since they have great nature.
It's a waste of the scenery to just look at your smartphones.
- I don't think it's true.
A lot of Mediterranean countries
are on the list too.
- I wish I lived in the Mediterraneans.
- Yes, we have to be on our smartphones because we don't have good nature.
- Korean people.
- We now live in a world where
we can do everything with a touch of a button,
but I'm sure there are those who misses the analog days.
I wonder what you think.
Please raise your hand
if you think the old days without smartphones were better,
or if you think it's better as it is now.
3, 2, 1.
Japan, of course.
France.
The past.
- I think the way of communication has changed now.
Everything is based on SNS.
It's like you meet your friends
just to post photos on SNS.
- Some people are smartphone addicts. - That's right.
- They're always on the internet. - We used to enjoy the vivid moments,
but now everyone's just on their smartphones
- There are not many sad photos on SNS.
- There aren't many likes.
- What I don't understand is that
some people are too busy
posting live photos on their SNS,
when they are in places like Grand Canyon. You should be enjoying it with your eyes.
- Right.
- But they're too busy uploading posts.
Just staring at the screen.
- Right.
- As a smartphone user, I don't think we need computers anymore.
We can do everything on our cellphones.
Communicating on smartphones. - You can use email too.
- You can play games, listen to music,
listen to the radio and do just about anything on your smartphone.
- Right.
- Everything in this small machine,
and imagine how inconvenient it would be without it.
- No.
Having a smartphone can be convenient,
but I miss the days when there were
no cellphones and internet.
We weren't always wishing for a certain phone back then,
and I think there are too much pressure
because of smartphones nowadays.
You get all these emails from work on your smartphone,
and you feel like you need to respond to your friend right away
when they send a message to you.
I think you're under too much pressure now.
- Opposing smartphones is like going against human advancement.
Because... - Getting so serious.
- As a country that makes artificial intelligence smartphone devices,
I don't think it's fair that you're complaining
when you're reaping the convenience
from the very machine we created.
- Simlin, Simlin.
But, that's the smartphone.
- So stern.
- The phone has gotten smarter, not us.
- No. It's us.
- We used to be smarter before.
It's a system that analyzes and provides data according to the user
so that the user can enjoy the function more conveniently.
- What I miss is... - You're talking about Alpha Go.
- We've become fools that use smartphones.
- That makes sense too.
- It used to be more fun back in the day.
You would look at a paper map and trace your route with a marker.
- That was fun
- I miss that.
- We didn't become fools, things just got more convenient.
- They say that phones got smarter,
but people haven't.
- I think it really depends on
how you use it.
I used to feel pressured before,
but now I just don't reply because I know they'll call if it's urgent.
I think there are 2 things that smartphones are good for.
One is when you're working.
It's too easy to share documents on smartphones
and you can even scan and save business cards.
It's like having a little portable office
right in your pocket.
And the second thing is music.
I used to have like 300 CDs at home.
I don't know if this is a good thing for the artists,
but now, we can listen to all the music on our smartphones.
- I agree with Alberto.
I have to agree with him on this one.
I grew up in the 80s and 90s,
so I know how inconvenient it is to live without a smartphone.
But I still miss those days sometimes.
I miss the analog machines.
Now you can find song names on apps.
- It's nice.
- But inconvenience has its charms.
In the past, we would have to find what the song is for years.
We had to memorize the song
and ask a store employee.
- Singing the song to
an employee at a record shop.
- "Do you know this song?"
- I used to do this a lot.
But 9 out of 10 people wouldn't recognize it.
They tell me that such a song does not exist.
- Because you're always like this.
- Only the people from our generation would know the thrilling feeling you get
when the song you requested comes on the radio.
You would try to record the song on the cassette tape,
but the DJ would speak in the middle of the song.
- I used to get stressed out because of that when I was a radio DJ.
- You were a DJ?
- Yes.
- Really?
- That's so unlikely.
- It had the highest listening rate out of all other radio shows.
- Because of that trauma,
I always played the song after saying the artist's name.
- And you have to say it again when the song is over.
- Because you need to know the song name.
- Oh no.
- In the past, it used to be so boring to ride in cars for a long time.
It' not too boring when you take a cab now
because you can use your smartphones.
Do SNS and play games.
- It's not boring.
- Isn't this a bad thing?
- It's a good thing. - Because you don't know
how to tolerate being bored anymore.
- Isn't it a good thing to be boring?
- You can't stand being bored.
- Right.
- If you're stuck in traffic, you should look out the window and build creativity.
- There's an app that improves your creativity.
- There's an app for creativity?
- There's an app for creativity.
- There's an app for when you're stuck in traffic.
- Everyone here lived with and without cellphones.
- That's right.
- Right.
- I can't remember how I lived without a cellphone.
- Please tell us.
- Using home phones.
- I wonder how the older people spent time
when they were our age.
- They worked out.
- All of a sudden?
- It's probably better to have smartphones then.
- We should talk about mobile fees.
The average mobile fee for 1GB of data and 300 calls
in 34 OECD countries was about 42,000 KRW.
Korea ranked in 14th place with 31,000 KRW.
Let's look at the smartphone fees in each country.
- In Canada, it's $55 for 1GB and 500 call minutes.
- About 45,000 KRW.
- And there are a lot of non-service areas,
so considering that, it's quite expensive.
In Canada.
- I think it's really expensive in Japan too.
There are 3 major mobile carriers in Japan,
and the average mobile fee for Softbank is 4900 JPY.
So it's about 49,000 KRW.
- That's expensive.
- 49,000 KRW.
Plus the device fee, it's well over 100,000 KRW.
- It's the same in Mexico.
In Mexico, it's about 32,000 KRW
for 1GB plus 500 minutes.
So it's similar to Korea,
but the internet speed is different.
In Korea, when you search something, it comes right up.
- How long does it take in Mexico?
Like PC communication.
- Like in the old days?
- In Korea, a new LTE technology
can be installed across the country really fast.
But US is a really big country,
so there are a lot of suburb region where LTE is not available.
It takes a long time to distribute the LTE technology.
So it's really annoying when I go to the US for a business trip.
There is 3G instead of LTE.
Or sometimes 2G.
- A long time ago.
- The biggest difference is in the subway.
In Korea,
If you go to Paris in France,
many people read books on the subway.
It looks very sophisticated.
Right.
- 4G.
- Because they have no other choice?
- Geez.
- "Let's just read books."
- There's a bit of a problem.
If you use your smartphone in the subway,
you could get it pick-pocketed.
- It's similar in Mexico.
- Asian people need to be careful in particular.
Since there are not many crimes like this in Korea.
So they target Asian tourists.
- That's right.
- You need to be careful.
- You should be careful.
You never know what's going to happen.
Okay.
Our show is like a smartphone,
a necessity in your daily life.
We're Non-summit.
- Smart summit.
- You've waited a long time.
Let's begin the official summit.
- It's time to see the unique issues
from different countries.
- Discussing all issues on earth.
"What's important?"
- Mark will raise the agenda.
- Harvard canceled the admission of 10 students
that shared messages containing explicit sexual content and
targeting specific religious and ethnic groups.
I wonder what you think of this.
- Is SNS chat like a messenger?
Or did they post on SNS?
- It was a private group chat.
- How did they find out?
- The media didn't mention it,
but one of the members probably took a screen shot of it.
- And then exposed it.
- So the school found out about it.
- They raised an ethical standard on the prospective students.
How did people in the US react to it?
- We think that what the students did was wrong,
and that Harvard did the right thing.
The students think it's unfair and that they have the freedom of speech,
but the most of the media says that
Harvard did the right thing.
- In Korea, many large corporations started asking for SNS information
to their job applicants, so many people
started to abandon SNS.
- Really?
- Some people faced disadvantages because of their SNS.
They were confronted about their old posts.
- Is this fair?
- Let's talk on this issue.
The companies can find out about information that's not on the resume,
so it might be a necessary action for the employer,
but it could also be an invasion of privacy
and it is unnecessary.
Do you think it's fair for schools or companies
use SNS posts to justify someone's enrollment or employment?
Please raise your hand,
if you think it's fair.
3, 2, 1.
Many of you think it's fair.
- Yes.
It's not a private space anymore.
- I think you need to be responsible for what you say,
regardless of whether it's on SNS or in public space.
Some might say that one is entitled to a freedom speech,
but I think they should know that
there are responsibilities
that come with their actions.
- Schools and companies don't have the right to hack into private accounts,
however what these schools and companies want are not just smart people,
but people that share the same
views and morality as them.
So they should filter out those
that do not qualify.
- Mark is right.
It's just one of the ways to find out
if the applicant qualifies for the school or company.
- But it's not the right way...
To check up on someone's private account like that.
- It's like how you can't act crazy
like running around naked or
yelling at other people in public space..
You shouldn't do that on the internet too.
- If I run into someone acting crazy on the street, it's that person's fault,
but if you visit someone's SNS on purpose... - No, no.
- And find information...
- Why?
- It's the same.
- They visited the SNS account on purpose,
so it's different.
The person's intention... - The person had an intention?
- What I'm saying is that
it's not right to talk down on someone
where everyone can see it.
- It's simple.
SNS is like your diary.
You post pictures of food you enjoyed
and photos of your favorite outfits.
You don't post those photos
and tell other people to look at them.
They shouldn't be .
- Because you didn't tell them to look at it.
- Yes.
- Searching my SNS is like doing a background check.
It's like peeking at my diary and
telling me "You shouldn't do that".
- It's a diary that other people can see.
- But it's not a private diary, it's a private media.
- If we allow people to
who will post pictures honestly?
They'll just pretend to be good.
- But you still want more followers.
For your diary...
- So when you post your selfies,
is that purely for yourself?
- Yes.
- I don't agree with Wang Simlin.
I don't...
- We're on the same side.
- Because... - We're on the same side.
- What I want to say is that,
schools shouldn't be doing this
because one of the reasons why we go to a school
is to learn and become a better person.
If a school denies acceptance because the student has problems,
I don't think the school is being responsible.
That's how it seems like to me.
I think a school isn't for turning someone good into a better person,
but it's responsible for turning someone who is troubled
into a good-willed person.
- What about for corporations?
- I think it's a different story.
Companies can look into people's SNS,
but I don't think schools should do that.
- School is where you go to learn
and company is where you go after you finish your studies.
Even if the student doesn't hold the same values as the school,
they could learn at the school,
and that's why they should go to school.
I think schools should accept that.
- Everyone's value is different though.
Some schools might think that volunteering is important,
then they can pick students who have more volunteer experience.
- They can volunteer while they're at school.
- These students were found to be
very morally wrong.
It's controversial that it happened in a private group chat,
but if it was a public account,
I think the school has the right
to reject that person based on their moral righteousness.
- You can't ignore that right.
- They should be punished if what they said was illegal, but what is the limit?
In France, we have a clear limit as to what you can say and what you can't.
It's illegal to say racist remarks in France.
What is the limit in US though?
- Each school or company
should decide what is appropriate or not.
- You don't have to do that.
- Self-inspection.
- In Italy, it's illegal to make
racist or fascist remarks in public.
We have our limits too.
If two people are talking about it, it's considered freedom of speech.
You can talk about anything you want.
But if more than 2 people are talking,
it's considered illegal.
- If you say something to one other person, it's considered expressing your opinion,
but if you start propagating your opinion to more than 1 person, you are affecting more.
So I think Harvard did the right thing.
- The question now is whether
SNS is a private or public space.
I think people will understand
if you express yourself honestly and sincerely on SNS.
- Let's continue to talk about 'What is important' next week.
- Before inviting our Non-summit representative, we have a special guest.
A representative from the United Arab Emirates, the country of Mansour.
- Hello.
My name is Shamsha and I'm from the UAE.
I'm studying masters of anthropology Seoul National University.
- Anthropology.
I liked Korea for a long time and
I studied Korean for 3-4 years when I was in the UAE.
- How did you become to like Korea?
- I liked K-POP.
- Which group did you like?
- SHINee and VIXX.
- VIXX? - They're really popular.
- Right.
- Did you know?
- Which member do you like the most?
- I like Hak-yeon.
- N.
- N?
- Have you ever met them?
- At a concert and fan signing event.
- Fan signing event?
- A music show.
- You're a fan.
- On their way to work.
- They're 'on their way to work'.
- Do you have the big cameras?
- No.
I just like seeing them, that's all.
- Thank you.
- She speaks really good Korean.
- With Shamsha as our guest, let's welcome the Korean representative.
The innocent girls that will rise in the era of 'Girl Crush',
Park Cho-rong and Son Na-eun from APINK.
- You have to introduce yourself on our show,
so please introduce yourself.
- Hello.
I'm Park Cho-rong, the leader of APINK.
- Nice to meet you. - Hello.
I'm Na-eun from APINK.
- Na-eun received great attention for being on PSY's new music video.
How did that happen?
- PSY asked me to be on his music video
so I gladly accepted his request.
- You're already a K-POP star,
but do more people recognize you?
- More people must recognize you.
- I don't really feel any difference
to be honest.
I showed a side of me that I never showed before,
so I was curious of the reaction.
It seems to be getting a positive reaction so I'm very thankful.
- APINK is known for their
innocent and lovely image.
Is it ever bothersome for you?
- It is.
- Have you ever thought that you wanted to change that image?
- It's not really bothersome but we're constantly thinking about it.
Our fans are very conservative,
so we try to be careful
when we're making a new album.
- So if my make-up is a little heavier than usual,
I tell my make-up artist to make it lighter,
the way I always wear it.
- I'm looking forward to our discussion with Cho-rong and Na-eun today.
Let's listen to Cho-rong and Na-eun's agenda.
- We raised this agenda because of
some people who are embarrassed to admit that they're idol fans.
- Am I abnormal to think that it's okay to be a fangirl or a fanboy?
- Isn't it a wide-spread culture now?
Do people still feel like that?
- There are a lot of idol fans that are teenagers or in their 20s,
but fans in their 30s or 40s are
still a little embarrassed to reveal that they're idol fans.
So we joke to them and say
"Don't be embarrassed to admit that you're our fan".
- It's not that they're embarrassed of APINK.
- But the situation is...
- If your boss found out...
"What did you do over the weekend?"
"I went to see APINK."
That can be a little embarrassing.
- Getting caught looking at Cho-rong's pictures in the office.
"What are you doing?"
People might think you're immature,
so you feel a little embarrassed.
Na-eun?
- The idol fan culture became widespread,
but I think a negative image was built
on some fans that cross the line.
So I think some people are
trying to hide that they're idol fans.
- There are some fans with bad manners too.
- Yes, and it became an issue.
- Right.
- Even the senior singers.
- When that's not true.
Not all fans are like that. - Right.
- I wonder what you guys think.
You might think differently.
Let's pretend you're an ordinary office worker,
can you proudly admit that you're an APINK fan,
or would you hide it?
Please press the button if you can.
3, 2, 1.
Please press the button.
AurĂŠlien, Alberto.
Christian.
- In the US, mostly teenagers would join fan clubs like that
because people think that it's only for young people.
People will think it's a little strange if you tell them you're in a Beyonce fan club.
- Isn't that what it's like? - Something you don't want to reveal.
- But don't they just respect it
when they find out?
- It depends on how they find out.
I think it might be okay to admit it when someone asks you,
but it's a little strange to go around telling people when no one asked.
Introducing yourself like "Hi, nice to meet you. I'm an APINK fan."
- You wouldn't say it like that.
- When you're having a coffee break at work,
you could show your co-workers clips of APINK and say
"Wow, aren't they great?".
- No. - No?
- That's really strange.
- That's strange?
- We don't have an idol culture.
You just enjoy it on your own.
- There are no idol groups in the US.
- I don't see why it's a problem
if you show others that you're an idol fan.
You shouldn't care too much about what other people think.
I have my own preferences.
Everyone has their own preferences,
and we should all respect each other's preferences.
- You can do that in a perfect world,
but it's not as easy as it sounds unless you have a strong confidence.
It's the same in France.
In France, only teenagers like idol groups,
so it's difficult to reveal that you're an idol fan if you're old.
- Because Korea has popular idol culture,
but France doesn't.
What about Japan?
- I think we have a lot of deer fans.
- Stalker fan?
- Deer fan.
- Deer fan?
A kind deer.
Just looking.
- I made it up.
- Don't make stuff up.
It's not even funny.
- Deer.
Hiding it when you're really a fan.
- Deer.
- Deer fan.
- I'm sure there are many fans like that.
In Japan, fans can be a little extreme.
There are some strange fans.
We call them 'Otaku' so
people will hide it because they don't want to be called an 'Otaku'.
- Do Otakus have bad reputation in Japan?
- Yes.
- It's bad.
- Really?
- I think you can only hide it,
because you're not a true fan.
If you're a true fan, you think of them like your family.
No matter where I am,
I can proudly say that I'm a Girl's Generation fan.
I made a promise when they debuted
that I will grow up and move into the future with them.
- You made a promise with Girl's Generation?
- In my heart, yes.
- So Girl's Generation knows
- That's all that matters.
I spent my radiant youth
with Girl's Generation.
Why? It's true.
- Radiant youth.
- Yes.
You only live once.
- It's like I grew up with this group.
- I don't think there's anything wrong
with saying that you like girl groups.
They're artists too.
- I agree with Alberto but just to add one thing,
it's a little embarrassing to say that your favorite group has changed.
- Your favorite group.
- You don't need to let people know.
- Who did you originally like?
- Justin Bieber.
- Can you tell people that you like SHINee and VIXX
back in the UAE?
- I can, but for women living in the UAE,
it might be impossible to do so.
- Why?
- The Islamic culture does not advocate
listening to different artists.
So there isn't much culture
built around idols and fans.
So I told people that I like Korea
instead of telling them I liked Korean singers.
You can tell people that it's okay to like a country.
- So you just say that you like the country instead.
- In Pakistan, people talk about this in the office.
But I don't think I would tell people that I like a girl group
if I had a girlfriend.
I don't think that my girlfriend
would like that.
- But that's true.
In Japan, there are many people
who hide being idol fans because
they might break up with their girlfriends. - Really?
- But isn't being a fan of someone different than actually loving someone?
My wife watches 'Produce 101' with her sisters.
- It's me~
- They watch it together at home.
- Really?
- I could like girl groups too.
- Both of you pressed the button.
- Who were you a fan of?
- What?
- Who were you a fan of?
- I was a fan of BoA.
It was the first CD I bought...
- He's married now, but I was a fan of Rain.
- Were you happy when you met him after you debuted?
- I met him in backstage at his concert after I debuted.
I almost cried when he shook my hand,
and the entire time I was watching the concert.
- She was so into it.
- As one of the fans.
- Have you ever changed the channel
when Kim Tae-hee came on TV?
- No, never.
- Have you ever drawn a mustache on Kim Tae-hee's photo?
- I was a little sad when I saw their wedding photo,
but I was really happy for them.
- Have you ever asked Wang Simlin?
He's a fan of Kim Tae-hee.
- Really?
- Yes.
- Have you ever drawn a sideburn on Rain's photo?
- You can tell who's a true fan and who's not,
when the singer is getting married.
A true fan will be happy for the singer,
whereas a fake fan will get angry.
Then it's not a true fan.
- Will you remain as her fan?
- Yes.
- Yes~
- You can't go back to your twenties.
- Let's begin the official discussion
with the conclusion that it is not embarrassing to be an idol fan.
- The idol fan culture is evolving as well.
There were various fan gifts
that became a big issue.
- I think the fan gift culture in Japan
has changed since the K-wave.
It started with Bae Yong-joon.
Most fans used to be younger generation,
but as the number of older fans grew, they started giving expensive gifts
and visiting filming locations and hotels that Bae Yong-joon stayed in.
- I used to live in Chuncheon 10 years ago.
- Nami Island?
- There were so many Japanese tourists in Chuncheon,
even more than in Venice.
There were Japanese people everywhere.
- That's right.
- Yonsama was not just a K-wave,
he was almost an incident. - Right.
- Are there a lot of Yonsama fans remaining?
- They decreased a little bit since a lot of them got married.
One time, 3,500 fans gathered
at an airport to see him.
There were only 15 fans recently.
- What a decrease.
- Time has passed and many of them got married.
- I once got an opportunity to talk with a middle-aged Japanese woman on the subway.
She came from Osaka to Tokyo
to see a SHINee concert.
It was her first time coming to Tokyo,
because of the concert.
- Because of SHINee.
- I showed her a picture I took with Min-ho.
- Of course you did.
- And she showed me the Japanese reaction.
Her voice filled the subway train.
"Ehh~~~ Sugoi~~~"
She was so surprised.
- Why did you show her that photo?
- Because I wanted to show off.
Anyway, I was really surprised.
- Some people's lives actually changed
because of their fanship.
- Like Shamsha.
- I went to a music show in Korea,
and there were a lot of Japanese people there.
- Yes, yes.
- You could make global friends there.
- There's actually a global chat room for SHINee fans.
- After seeing 'My Love from the Star', a Chinese woman came to Korea
to buy the house next to Kim Soo-hyun's house by offering to pay much higher price,
but the owner refused.
- Why?
- The owner just didn't want to sell it.
- Maybe the owner was a fan of 'My Love from the Star' as well.
- That's possible.
- What?
- "I moved here because of him."
- Talking about living next door reminds me of something.
Fans know all the schedule
of their idol, so sometimes
they reserve the seat right next to the idol.
There's nothing that can be done about it.
- We were on the same airplane with a boy group once,
and their fans rode on the same airplane.
We were sitting at the last row, so we couldn't use toilet comfortably.
And we just slept covered with blankets.
- Once, fans that recognized us
came and took a photo of us when we were sleeping.
- That's rude.
- I felt a little uncomfortable.
- Most fans don't act like that.
- There's a top boy group in China called 'TF Boys'.
For one of the member's 16th birthday,
fans installed congratulation banners in 583 terminals.
For a member that just got into high school,
fans gave him a summarized note for all school subjects.
- Summarized note.
- When Jackie Chan filmed the movie 'Kung Fu Yoga' in Dubai,
the Dubai government and millionaires
sponsored super cars like Ferrari and Lamborghini.
- For the movie?
- For the movie. - Since they're not using it.
"Just use these."
- Is that possible?
- In the US, a homeless man gave a ring to Lady Gaga.
Lady Gaga was so touched to receive a ring from a person who had nothing,
so she gave him a rose and the money he needs.
She also asked him to take a photo with her.
The homeless man told Lady Gaga that he smells,
and she said "It's fine, I smell too. Let's take a picture."
- Wow.
- So touching.
- It received a lot of attention.
- There was an opposite case.
- In Argentina, a little girl who was a long-time fan of Justin Bieber,
threw a cookie into a car that Justin Bieber was in.
But as soon as Bieber got the cookie,
he threw it back out the window.
- Wow.
He threw it back?
The cookie?
That's cruel.
- That's plain mean.
- Let's hear about the fanship
of the different representatives.
How far did you go
for your favorite idol?
- I came all the way to Korea because of my favorite singers.
- That's already something big.
- It's the biggest decision.
- Did you go to Seoul National University because of SHINee?
- Yes.
- Why?
- Because I wanted to go to a school
that I could proudly tell them.
- Wow.
It really changes your life.
- If I get to meet SHINee...
- What do you want to tell them?
- That I went to this school because of them.
- I'll tell SHINee for sure.
- Thank you.
- There's an artist that I've liked for 17 years and her name is Son Youn-ja.
- Son Youn-ja.
It's Son Youn-ja.
- She's beautiful.
Is she a singer in China?
- I starved for a week when I was in high school,
to buy her album,
and I would only buy drinks that she advertised.
If it was sold out, I wouldn't drink anything.
When I heard that she was getting married,
I skipped class and cried on the field.
- You're not a true fan then.
- Right.
- You're not a true fan.
- Please listen until the end.
I cried alone.
By myself.
- So you cried once.
- And then I realized that I shouldn't be greedy
and I shouldn't give her a hard time.
- Aren't you thinking too much?
- I give her all my blessing,
as I spent my radiant youth with her.
- Mark.
- The fan club that I belong to is called a foundation called the Arumjigi.
- Is there a celebrity named Arum?
- It's for people who love traditional
Korean culture like Hanok and Hanbok.
- Is it a fan club for Korea?
- An artifact fan club.
- I thought there was a girl group named Arum,
because it was called the Arumjigi.
- Pure Korean.
- Fans of traditional Korean culture meet up for a field trip,
or do exhibitions on Korean hanbok.
- But I have a question.
What is the age group like?
There are older people and some Young Arumjigi as well.
- Young is an English word.
- Why would you use an English word
for a Korean artifact fan club?
- Are you the only Non-Korean person there?
- Yes, they're mostly Korean.
- That's amazing.
- For me it's not a celebrity either,
because I like many painters.
- Painters?
Who?
- I like artists like Monet and Gogh,
so I go to their exhibitions a lot.
I used to go once every week.
- A Gogh geek.
- I'm a Gogh fan.
- Was there a time when a star
gave a gift to a fan?
- In Japan, there are fan handshake meetings.
But fan handshake meetings are changing too.
- They do high fives too.
- A fan handshake meeting is very special now.
There's an idol named Aell,
and if you buy more than 30 CDs, they'll cook for you.
If you buy 50 CDs, you can go to the karaoke with them.
And if you buy 100 CDs, you can go on a one-on-one date for 1 hour.
- Really?
- For boy groups, they don't just do handshakes,
but back hugs and hitting the wall.
- A princess hug.
- There are many different services now.
- A princess hug.
- If 100 people show up...
- Yes.
- Good job.
- That must be tiring.
- Taylor Swift gave a present
to one of her fans.
Her fan couldn't afford tuition,
and Taylor Swift sent the fan
a wallet with a bank note in it.
She wrote a letter saying that the money was for the tuition.
So the fan was touched.
There is another famous video
where Taylor Swift sings at the wedding of her fans, who got married
under difficult circumstances.
That video was really moving and it went viral.
- I would cry.
- The fans must've been really happy.
- During the New Years, celebrities
give out red envelopes to their fans.
So if you enter a draw,
the fans can win the amount that their stars have given.
An actor named Yang Yang
put about 2 million KRW into the red envelope.
- 2 million?
- Yes, in Korean Won.
- There is this new website
called the Wish Raiser.
It's where celebrities or sport stars
post events or fan service.
To participate in the event or fan service, the fans have to donate participation fee
and all the participation fees are donated.
It's really popular.
- There is an old soccer club called Hamburg FC in Germany
and they build a kindergarten inside their soccer stadium.
It's for their fans who cannot
afford to send their kids to kindergarten,
and it aims to promote the fanship for the club from early age.
- What if they grow up and become a fan of a different soccer club?
Did you ever give a gift to your fans?
- When we do our comebacks,
our fans have to wait early in the morning. - For the music show.
- Since they can't eat breakfast to wait in a line,
I would prepare some snacks and drinks
so they can eat it.
- What about Na-eun?
- I would prepare ice cream when it's hot in the summer,
or hot pack when it's cold in the winter
so that they're not hot or cold.
- While fans can be the biggest supporters of their stars,
they could also be twisted fanship.
- There's a singer named Selena in Mexico.
- Right.
- She was the first one to
to start the Tex Mex music genre.
- She was really popular.
- Yes, she was really popular.
In Mexico and other countries.
But she got shot by her fan club leader and died
at a really young age.
- Why?
- The shooter said that she was a lesbian,
and she shot and killed Selena
because she asked Selena out and Selena rejected her.
But the truth was revealed recently.
It turned out that the shooter had stolen a lot of money from the fan club,
and when Selena kept being suspicious,
she killed Selena.
- She stole money?
- The fan club leader stole money from the fans.
- She's still in prison.
- A Tunisian person was a big fan of this French band,
so the Tunisian person protested against the government on a high tower.
- A one-person protest.
- Protested against the government to invite the band.
- So did the Tunisian government invite the band?
- No, the police came and...
- "No."
- "Come down."
- There is this guy named Sheldon,
and he spent $100,000 in 5 years to look like Justin Bieber.
He wanted to look like the young Justin Bieber.
Unfortunately, he died from drug overdose.
- Really?
- He died. - Oh no.
- How unfortunate.
- An Iranian dad made his child to look exactly like Messi,
because he was such a big fan.
- His son?
- Wow. - He looks like Messi.
- They look so similar.
- The son is on the right? - Yes.
- They look the same.
- So...
- He could become a soccer player.
- He's actually thinking about it.
So he's learning soccer.
- Really?
- Also doing modeling jobs.
Since so many fans started to gather and it started to get dangerous,
he was taken by the police.
- In Saudi Arabia, two women
ran away to Korea.
- They ran away to Korea?
- Yes.
If you want to get on an airplane in Saudi Arabia,
you need a paternal permission.
- You need to have a letter of permission.
- Yes.
So they faked the permission with their fathers' cellphones.
- Fake permission.
- And their parents don't know where they are right now.
All they knew was that their daughters liked Korea,
and they don't know which singers their daughters liked.
The daughters sent an email to their parents later.
- Saying what?
- That they're safe in Korea so don't worry about them.
- Safe.
- This is a little sad.
- Were you ever uncomfortable
because of a fan's excessive actions?
- Our overseas fans don't have as much opportunities to see us,
so when we go overseas, some fans keep knocking on our hotel door
and calling our room all night.
One time, I looked out the hole,
and there was this man holding an iPad
and knocking on the door.
So...
- What? Oh... He was trying to take a picture when you came out.
- Yes, and I was in my PJs so I couldn't go out.
- And you can't be like "Go away!".
- If I spoke, he would know that I'm there.
So I couldn't say anything,
and our manager talked to him.
- Na-eun, what about you?
- I heard that some fans put a bugging device in their gifts.
- A bugging device? - Or even hidden cameras.
- This is scary, but for some boy groups,
some woman would be lying on their bed when they get home.
"Are you home?"
- I also heard that someone woke up
and a fan was preparing breakfast.
The fan had been hiding
under the bed all night.
- I think this was in Japan too.
It was a girl group member's birthday,
and the fan sang a birthday song while she was sleeping on her bed.
- That's so creepy.
- She played the video and
it was filmed inside her house.
- Yikes.
- She was sleeping in the back.
- That's so scary.
I just got goosebumps.
- Let's talk about good stories now.
- While there are some problematic fans, there are some nice fans out there.
- There are much more fans that are nice.
- Let's talk about some cases
where good-willed fans have contributed to the society.
- SMAP fans in Japan raised money through crowd funding
to support the Kumamoto earthquake victims.
Over 5000 people participated and raised 1.3 million KRW.
They donated the money for good causes.
- Super Junior fans in Arab, with other global Super Junior fans,
built 16 schools in Africa.
And SHINee fans in the UAE
donated money to a cancer patient.
We wanted to know how much was donated in total,
but you can't brag about donating in Islamic culture.
- There's Lee Min-ho's fan club in Mexico.
On his 10-year anniversary after debut,
the fans started to collect plastic bottles caps
and after collecting a significant amount,
they sold them to a recycling company
and donated money to a foundation for helping children with cancer.
- Wow.
- By collecting plastic bottle caps?
- For Exo's birthday,
the fans cleaned up the streets
so that people can use it conveniently.
Kids can now go to school safely too.
In 2015, there were many victims
from the explosion in Tianjin.
Jackie Chan and his fans
donated about 1.7 million KRW.
Fans will take after their stars.
- And donate a lot.
- Have APINK fans donated as well?
- Our fans have donated money for wells
in regions that lack drinking water.
They also donated blood donor cards.
On my birthday, they knit 210 wool hats
for kids in Africa and Pakistan.
So I knit the wool hats with them too.
- That's an exemplary case.
- On top of giving gifts, they donate or volunteer now.
- That's a great thing.
- I felt sorry for receiving so much,
I went to donate with my fans.
- There are many products marketed around celebrities nowadays.
The market for celebrity goods are increasing.
Let's hear about some of the
unique goods culture in your countries.
- We have about almost anything related to soccer.
- We have them too.
- We use the coffee pot
to make our coffee in the morning.
We have coffee machines as well.
- So pretty.
- We have... what is it called?
A dog house.
We have that,
and we also have...
Products related to your least favorite team.
- Right.
- The most popular product is the toilet paper.
You would buy the toilet paper with your least favorite team on it.
- A rival team? - Really?
- We like soccer as much as Italy,
and we have something Italy doesn't.
Since Mexicans support their teams even after they die,
there are coffins with color and logo of different teams and clubs.
- And they get buried in it?
- Yes.
Since they're such devoted fans.
- That's a strong fanship.
There's a coffin for every team?
- Yes, and it got so popular
that they're always sold out.
- In Pakistan, there are restaurants.
There are theme cafes for 'Friends' and 'Harry Potter',
where the interior looks the same as the movie sets.
The menu includes food that appear in the movies.
There's a fan club that's getting bigger recently.
BTS fan club collaborated with a restaurant called California Pizza
to open up a BTS restaurant.
- Really?
- They have posters and pictures on the wall and play BTS songs.
- A BTS restaurant?
- BTS and Exo are really popular.
They do a lot of social events as well
and it's getting bigger and bigger.
- In the US, I think there are more goods on politicians
than there are goods on celebrities.
There is Trump's red hat,
or mug cups with the candidates' faces on them.
There are even t-shirts with the candidates' quotes.
- It's cereal.
- I really don't want it.
- It looks very crispy.
You need to chew it a lot.
- The hat sold a lot.
After Trump made a passionate speech,
he threw his hat to the supporters
and it said 'Made in China'.
- It became an issue.
- Yes.
- I heard only Americans can buy this hat.
- Only American citizens or permanent residents can buy it,
because you're giving political funding by buying the hat.
There is a US law that forbids foreigners from funding US politicians,
so only Americans can buy the hat.
- The number of foreign fans that want to buy Korean idol goods is increasing.
The types of goods are increasing as well.
- In the past, it was mostly goods like cheering rods.
Nowadays, there are more practical goods
like portable chargers or cushions.
There are also blankets, mugs and bus cards.
- Bus cards?
- Even bus cards?
- I showed the goods they bought
on Instagram Live.
My friends showed up to look at the goods
and it went on for 5 hours.
- You must've bought a lot.
- I buy more goods than clothes.
- Really? - Yes.
- The artists must be really thankful.
I think it is the artist's role
to make memorable goods for their fans.
- The quality got much better.
- I think I would want to buy a cushion.
- Because you always have it with you.
- It's like being with your star.
- We call someone a 'Successful fan'
when they meet their star after getting famous themselves.
Lets talk about the successful fans in each country.
- There's a woman called
'The first woman in Hongqiao'.
She waits for celebrities in the Hongqiao airport
and takes photos with them when they come out.
She took so much photos that if celebrities don't take photos with her,
you're not a famous celebrity.
She got 2,700,000 followers
so she even went on a TV show.
- You didn't take a picture with her, right?
- I've never been there.
Was she there in 2008?
- She was always there.
- Really?
I guess I'm not famous.
- I went there too but I didn't take a picture with her.
- You didn't meet her?
- No.
- We have a long way to go.
- In 2008, Michael Phelps was in Singapore and while he was practicing swimming,
a 13-year old boy came up to him and asked him for a photograph,
because he was Phelps' biggest fan.
The little boy became a swimmer on the Malaysian swimming team
and participated in the Rio Olympics in 2016.
He won the gold medal against Phelps
and even beat Phelps' records.
- What a successful fan.
- Wow.
- They took a picture together again.
- It's like a drama.
- The 6th boyfriend of Emma Watson
was a Mexican.
- You're saying he's a successful fan?
- Yes, in a sense.
- Was he a fan?
- No. He was born in Mexico
but grew up in Switzerland.
He got in to video production,
and he met Emma Watson on the set of 'Harry Potter'.
So they got closer and eventually went out.
- Isn't he almost a Swiss then?
- No, no.
- I have a question.
Could you go out with someone
who used to be your fan?
- This is a good question.
- Yes.
- You should answer this carefully.
- I think it depends on the situation.
But if I really like the person, would I have to worry about it?
It's not a bad thing that he liked me.
- Yes.
That's right.
- He could become a lover.
- If he's a good person.
- I think I can.
- Why?
- If he likes me as a person
and not as a celebrity,
I think I could date him.
- Are you satisfied with the answer?
- Do I have a chance?
- A chance...
- Didn't you hear her?
- Didn't you hear?
- Are you asking if you have a chance?
- What?
- Is that why you asked the question?
Who are you a fan of?
Na-eun or Cho-rong.
- I like older women, so Cho-rong.
- Am I older?
- Yes.
- A fan that's younger...
How does that sound?
- Umm...
- I got it.
- No.
Thank you so much.
- Cho-rong, please say something.
Please look at him in his eyes.
- He's younger than you so just treat him comfortably.
He's an innocent guy.
- Thank you for liking me.
- Congratulations Ogi.
- He's a successful fan.
What a successful fan. - A successful fan.
- We have discussed the agenda raised by Park Cho-rong and Son Na-eun from APINK,
"Am I abnormal to think that it's not embarrassing to be a fangirl or fanboy?"
for the 154th Non-summit.
Why don't we make a little clip for APINK.
- Our album is released a week after this show
so there might be a little spoiler.
- Okay.
- You can call your fan club name.
- 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.
- Oh. - This is the spoiler.
- Ogi is so happy right now.
- Look at Ogi.
1, 2, 3, 4, 5.
- Is this the 5th album?
- Ogi, Ogi.
- How was it today?
- It was so fun to talk about fanship,
which we can relate to,
because we've never talked about this before.
So it was really interesting.
Na-eun.
- I found out how much influence K-POP has overseas
and I hope that we can have
a good influence in this world.
- We'll adjourn the borderless Non-summit.
- Until the day we all reach the summit.
- Ogi should sing the closing song today.
- No, no.
Hyun-moo should do it.
No, no.
- He can do it. - Really?
He can do it.
It's Ogi.
- 1, 2, 3, 4.
- He can do it. Okay then.
- Really?
- It's Ogi.
- 1, 2, 3, 4.
- Don't be sad, no no no~
You're not alone, no no no~
You were always my light~
We'll adjourn.
- We have gathered here today.
- He's really famous.
- He's the star of 'Walking Dead' an American TV-series,
and he went to Cannes with 'Okja', it's Steven Yeun.
- It took 7 years.
The most loved drama in the US.
- He survived in the movie.
- Can you say that?
- Hello, it's Bong Joon-ho.
Yeun is cute and very sexy.
- Was there a reason why you casted Steven Yeun?
- You'll find out when you see the movie.
- What a good promoter.
- She turns fashion terrorists into fashion leaders, Han Hye-yeon.
- Hello.
Am I abnormal to live a happy life without choosing to getting married?
I think it's just a matter of choice.
- It's really stressful for women.
- "You should get married."
"Why aren't you having a baby?"
- My career comes before marriage.
I have my dreams.
- You need someone to be on your side during your hard days.
- You should work things out together.
- You can become happier if you get married.
- I don't think marriage is the conclusion of love.
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